Described herein is a water-based, alkaline cleaner concentrate for producing a cleaner for metallic surfaces, the concentrate including a) at least one (meth)acrylic acid homopolymer having a weight-average molar mass in the range from 3 000 to 19 000 g/mol and b) at least one (meth)acrylic acid copolymer having a weight-average molar mass in the range from 50 000 to 100 000 g/mol. Also described herein are a corresponding cleaner for metallic surfaces with reduced pickling erosion, a process for anticorrosive treatment of metallic surfaces that includes a corresponding cleaning step, a metallic surface obtained by the process, and a method of use thereof in the sector of the metalworking industries.

Disclosed is a conversion composition containing a trivalent chromium cation in an amount of 0.001 g/L to 20 g/L. Also disclosed is a system for treating a metal substrate that includes the conversion composition and a sealing composition comprising a lithium cation. Also disclosed is a method for treating a metal substrate that includes contacting at least a portion of a surface of the substrate with the conversion composition and then contacting at least a portion of the surface of the substrate with the sealing composition. Also disclosed is a substrate obtainable by treatment with the system and/or obtainable by the method of treating.

Disclosed is a conversion composition containing a trivalent chromium cation in an amount of 0.001 g/L to 20 g/L. Also disclosed is a system for treating a metal substrate that includes the conversion composition and a sealing composition comprising a lithium cation. Also disclosed is a method for treating a metal substrate that includes contacting at least a portion of a surface of the substrate with the conversion composition and then contacting at least a portion of the surface of the substrate with the sealing composition. Also disclosed is a substrate obtainable by treatment with the system and/or obtainable by the method of treating.